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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:51 am    Post subject: Pazz & Jop singles battle royale with cheese Reply with quote

The annual Village Voice Pazz & Jop poll does, or perhaps used to-- the Voice itself is definitely a "used to," but somebody updates their website with "fresh" reruns-- anyhow, as part of their album list, they used to pick the top singles of the year, too.

So WHICH is the best year in Pazz & Jop single-picking history? (Top Ten, 1979-2017, that is.) I have deleted the years that cannot compete. Ignore the in-year rankings, which are always wrong.

1980
1. Kurtis Blow: “The Breaks”
2. Joy Division: “Love Will Tear Us Apart”
3. Blondie: “Call Me”
4. (Tie) The Clash: “Train in Vain”/”London Calling”
Pretenders: “Brass in Pocket”
6. Stevie Wonder: “Master Blaster (Jammin’)”
7. John Lennon: “(Just Like) Starting Over”/Yoko Ono: “Kiss Kiss Kiss”
8. The Vapors: “Turning Japanese”
9. Lipps, Inc.: “Funkytown”
10 (Tie) Diana Ross: “Upside Down”
Bruce Springsteen: “Hungry Heart”

1982
1. Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five: “The Message”
2. Marvin Gaye: “Sexual Healing”
3. The Clash: “Rock the Casbah”
4. Prince: “1999”/”How Come You Don’t Call Me Anymore?”
5. Soft Cell: “Tainted Love”/”Where Did Our Love Go?”
6. Musical Youth: “Pass the Dutchie”
7. Pretenders: “Back On the Chain Gang”/”My City Was Gone”
8. Afrika Bambaataa & the Soul Sonic Force: “Planet Rock”
9. (Tie) ABC: “The Look Of Love”
Aretha Franklin: “Jump To It”
The Human League: “Don’t You Want Me”

1983
1. Michael Jackson: “Billie Jean”
2. The Police: “Every Breath You Take”
3. The Pretenders: “Back on the Chain Gang”/”My City Was Gone”
4. (Tie) Afrika Bambaataa & the Soul Sonic Force: “Looking for the Perfect Beat”
Prince: “Little Red Corvette”
6. Eddy Grant: “Electric Avenue”
7. Michael Jackson: “Beat It”
8. Grandmaster Flash & Melle Mel: “White Lines (Don’t Don’t Do It)”
9. Run-D.M.C.: “It’s Like That”/”Sucker M.C.s”
10. Talking Heads: “Burning Down the House”

1984
1. Prince: “When Doves Cry”/”17 Days”
2. Bruce Springsteen: “Dancing in the Dark”/”Pink Cadillac”
3. Tina Turner: “What’s Love Got to Do With It”
4. Hüsker Dü: “Eight Miles High”
5. Van Halen: “Jump”
6. Prince: “Let’s Go Crazy”/”Erotic City”
7. (Tie) Afrika Bambaataa & the Godfather of Soul James Brown: “Unity”
Run-D.M.C.: “Rock Box”
9. Chaka Khan: “I Feel for You”
10. (Tie) Cyndi Lauper: “Girls Just Want to Have Fun”
Cyndi Lauper: “Time After Time”

1988
1. Tracy Chapman: “Fast Car”
2. Rob Base & D.J. E-Z Rock: “It Takes Two”
3. Guns N’ Roses: “Sweet Child o’ Mine”
4. Prince: “Alphabet St.”
5. Midnight Oil: “Beds Are Burning”/”The Dead Heart”
6 (tie). Public Enemy: “Don’t Believe the Hype”/”Prophets of Rage”
Traveling Wilburys: “Handle With Care”
8. Bobby Brown: “My Prerogative”
9 (tie). Eric B. & Rakim: “Follow the Leader”
D.J. Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince: “Parents Just Don’t Understand”
The Primitives: “Crash”

1990
1. Deee-Lite: “Groove Is in the Heart”/”What Is Love”
2. Sinéad O’Connor: “Nothing Compares 2 U”
3. Digital Underground: “The Humpty Dance”
4. Madonna: “Vogue”
5 (tie). Faith No More: “Epic”
Lisa Stansfield: “All Around the World”
7. Black Box: “Everybody Everybody”
8. Madonna: “Justify My Love”
9. Soho: “Hippychick”
10. Public Enemy: “Welcome to the Terrordome”

1991
1. Nirvana: “Smells Like Teen Spirit”
2. R.E.M.: “Losing My Religion”
3. Naughty by Nature: “O.P.P.”
4. Geto Boys: “Mind Playing Tricks on Me”
5. Metallica: “Enter Sandman”
6 (tie). P.M. Dawn: “Set Adrift on Memory Bliss”
Crystal Waters: “Gypsy Woman (She’s Homeless)”
8 (tie). Public Enemy: “Can’t Truss It”
Seal: “Crazy”
10. EMF: “Unbelievable”

1993
1. The Breeders: “Cannonball”
2 (tie). Digable Planets: “Rebirth of Slick (Cool Like Dat)”
Nirvana: “Heart-Shaped Box”
4. Dr. Dre: “Nuthin’ but a ‘G’ Thang”
5. Salt-N-Pepa: “Shoop”
6 (tie). Radiohead: “Creep”
Soul Asylum: “Runaway Train”
8. The Juliana Hatfield Three: “My Sister”
9. Urge Overkill: “Sister Havana”
10 (tie). Ice Cube: “It Was a Good Day”/”Check Yo Self”
Tony! Toni! Toné!: “If I Had No Loot”

1994
1. Beck: “Loser”
2. Veruca Salt: “Seether”
3. Coolio: “Fantastic Voyage”
4. Warren G: “Regulate”
5. Beastie Boys: “Sabotage”
6. R.E.M.: “What’s the Frequency, Kenneth?”
7. Pavement: “Cut Your Hair”
8 (tie). Hole: “Doll Parts”
Liz Phair: “Supernova”
10. Offspring: “Come Out and Play”

1996
1. Quad City DJs: “C’mon N’ Ride It (The Train)”
2 (tie). Beck: “Where It’s At”
Smashing Pumpkins: “1979”
4 (tie). Oasis: “Wonderwall”
Pulp: “Common People”
6. Busta Rhymes: “Woo Hah!! Got You All in Check”
7. The Chemical Brothers: “Setting Sun”
8 (tie). Beck: “Devils Haircut”
Blackstreet: “No Diggity”
Primitive Radio Gods: “Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money in My Hand”

1997
1. Hanson: “MMMBop”
2. Chumbawamba: “Tubthumping”
3. The Verve: “Bitter Sweet Symphony”
4. Missy “Misdemeanor” Elliott: “The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)”
5. Blur: “Song 2”
6. Cornershop: “Brimful of Asha”
7. The Chemical Brothers: “Block Rockin’ Beats”
8 (tie). Erykah Badu: “On and On”
Smash Mouth: “Walkin’ on the Sun”
10. The Notorious B.I.G. (featuring Puff Daddy and Mase): “Mo Money Mo Problems”

2001
1. Missy “Misdemeanor” Elliott: “Get Ur Freak On”
2. Gorillaz: “Clint Eastwood”
3. Jay-Z: “Izzo (H.O.V.A.)”
4. Alicia Keys: “Fallin’ ”
5 (tie). Coldplay: “Yellow”
Pink: “Get the Party Started”
7. Eve feat. Gwen Stefani: “Let Me Blow Ya Mind”
8. Mary J. Blige: “Family Affair”
9. Weezer: “Hash Pipe”
10 (tie). Ryan Adams: “New York, New York”
Daft Punk: “One More Time”

2002
1. Missy Elliott: “Work It”
2. Eminem: “Lose Yourself”
3. Nelly: “Hot in Herre”
4. The Hives: “Hate to Say I Told You So”
5. Eminem: “Without Me”
6. The White Stripes: “Fell In Love With a Girl”
7. Kylie Minogue: “Can’t Get You Out of My Head”
8. Nirvana: “You Know You’re Right”
9. Rapture: “House of Jealous Lovers”
10. Tweet: “Oops (Oh My)”

2003
1. OutKast: “Hey Ya!”
2. Beyonce featuring Jay-Z: “Crazy in Love”
3. The White Stripes: “Seven Nation Army”
4. Kelis: “Milkshake”
5. 50 Cent: “In Da Club”
6. Johnny Cash: “Hurt”
7. Fountains of Wayne: “Stacy’s Mom”
8. R. Kelly: “Ignition (Remix)”
9. Junior Senior: “Move Your Feet”
10. Panjabi MC featuring Jay-Z: “Beware of the Boys (Mundian To Bach Ke)”

2005
1. Franz Ferdinand: “Take Me Out”
2. Jay-Z: “99 Problems”
3. Usher featuring Lil Jon and Ludacris: “Yeah!”
4. Modest Mouse: “Float On”
5. Britney Spears: “Toxic”
6. Kanye West: “Jesus Walks”
7. Snoop Dogg featuring Pharell: “Drop It Like It’s Hot”
8. M.I.A.: “Galang”
9. Yeah Yeah Yeahs: “Maps”
10. U2: “Vertigo”

2015
1. Drake: “Hotline Bling”
2. Kendrick Lamar: “King Kunta”
3. The Weeknd: “Can’t Feel My Face”
4. Kendrick Lamar: “Alright”
5. Courtney Barnett: “Pedestrian at Best”
6. Missy Elliott (featuring Pharrell Williams): “WTF (Where They From)”
7. Fetty Wap: “Trap Queen”
8. Mark Ronson (featuring Bruno Mars): “Uptown Funk”
9. Adele: “Hello”
10. Jamie xx (featuring Young Thug & Popcaan): “I Know There’s Gonna Be (Good Times)”

The weakest roster here, but I felt like I was being mean to the Kanye generation after not including 2006-2014 and 2016-2017. All the other years have at least 6 or 7 top shelf choices.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1984 is the champion, my friend. Other years may have arguably higher highs, but not that level of consistency across the board.

Although it's kinda stunning how much better 2003 is than literally any other year in this century thus far. I don't care about anything on that 2015 list outside of the Kendrick singles.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Humpty Dance at #3? 1990 wins every day of the year, my friend.

1996's #1 aged terribly given the other choices. I guess you could say that for a lot of years, but that one stood out.

Even though I like several of the songs, 1997 is absolutely remarkable for the sheer amount of annoyingness to earholes.

Also I am a crusty old fart that apparently believes music took a huge downturn around 2001-2002.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top 40 has taken a horrific downturn, but that's not the same as music.

Everything on the radio kinda sorta had a way of sounding a little samey during the big band heyday, or the original rock and roll era, or the British Invasion, or the disco period, or the 1980s synth drum wave, and so forth. But today, it's inescapable. A preponderance of the charting hits literally filter the voices in the same ways, and overuse the same beats and effects and guest raps and everything else.

However, there's so much fine, good or great music out there that it's just giving up to think that the last 37 Drake songs are what it's all about. It takes more effort than switching on the radio to find the stuff, but there's a whole online ecosystem of road markers to guide you to gospel dubstep ad jingles, or Korean jungle techno marching bands... not to mention anything from any period of recorded song.

I think the 1983 Top Ten is even more relentless than the 1984 list.

An impossible project would be to compile the Top Ten songs from ALL of these Top Ten lists.

If you want to check out the rest of the years I omitted, and then call me an asshole for rockblocking "Pumped Up Kicks" and "Umbrella-ella-ella," here's the website:

https://www.villagevoice.com/2019/01/09/pazz-jop-top-10-singles-by-year-1979-2017/
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Humpty Dance at #3? 1990 wins every day of the year, my friend.



Someday, when my brother is ruined by Alzheimers and is lying abandoned and semi-vegetative in a ward, unable to recognize anyone he loved or remember how to chew food, the last thing left of the person he was before his mind shuts down for good will be the full word-for-word lyrics of "The Humpty Dance."
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking over the full list of lists, it appears that some time in 2005 I decided that there were enough songs already out there that I liked, and I'd just listen to those over and over until I die. There are literally zero songs on there from 2006 to the present that I give a shit about. I've let a few songs into my brain since then but either they weren't among the most popular at the time, or they were older tunes I didn't previously care about or hadn't heard.

Also, I don't look forward to the day that your poor feeble brother responds to "Do you recognize me?" with "Your name is Humpty, pronounced with an Umpty" but at the same time I kiiinda do.
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On a second glance, 1983 is probably better all-around than 1984, but my love of Bruce and Prince kinda supersedes all other objective qualifications.

I don't think the 1996 list has aged badly, but the #1 is definitely a "What? Lol" in 2019.

I like a bunch on the 2006 and 2007 lists, actually.

2008 has "Paper Planes" at #1, which was on the previous year's top 10, and almost nothing else worth remembering, including one of Kanye's weakest singles.

2009 has a few good "indie rock gets its big moment before fading back into the basement" singles although your mileage may vary: "Two Weeks", "Stillness is the Move", "1901", "My Girls".

I love everything on the 2010 list except the annoying #1.

2011 sucks.

The top 5 of 2012 is good, but then drops off severely after Frank Ocean and Japandroids.

2013: Kanye's singles are now landing on the list by default, lack of competition and starpower because his stuff is dropping off.

2014, ehhhhhhhhhh.

2016. A couple of great Bowie songs and a solid Leonard Cohen song, but they're a bit dark to be "great singles", and not only because they both passed shortly after releasing them. Kanye's last great song and a great Tribe comeback single. A great song by Mitski. And then some "eh" R&B hits that were inescapable.

2017. I like Kendrick Lamar. Everything else is a skip on my phone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foleyite wrote:
On a second glance, 1983 is probably better all-around than 1984, but my love of Bruce and Prince kinda supersedes all other objective qualifications.



You're just into short guys.

May I recommend Steve Marriott, Van Morrison and Jordy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IiLZ0dvDWU

(This was the #1 song for four months in France.)
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HelloDes wrote:
Foleyite wrote:
On a second glance, 1983 is probably better all-around than 1984, but my love of Bruce and Prince kinda supersedes all other objective qualifications.



You're just into short guys.

May I recommend Steve Marriott, Van Morrison and Jordy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IiLZ0dvDWU

(This was the #1 song for four months in France.)


I vaguely remember that kid's video being featured on something forever ago. (Probably Beavis & Butt-Head.)

Also, that second sentence is oddly appropriate since I had a big "finally getting into Van Morrison" phase about a month ago.
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The Small Faces and Van Morrison are at the very tippy top of my musical appreciation. But I'd have to explore more of the Jordy discography to form a fair-minded opinion about his body of work.
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There are a few surprising sentences on the Jordy wikipedia page, that's for sure.
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I wouldn't have used the royalties from "Dur dur d'être bébé!" to create ISIS, but it was his money, and his decision.
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Inspired by the fact that I've seen a bunch of things about Green Day's Dookie turning 25 today- I can't believe Green Day didn't have a song on the 1994 or 1995 list. Sure, they were big and had catchy songs and weren't critically acclaimed or taken "seriously" as artists. But then The Offspring's "Come Out and Play" is sitting right there and that isn't as good as any of the peak Green Day singles and it also sucks ass.
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I'm not seeing such a substantive aesthetic divide between "Come Out and Play" and "Longview," although I think Green Day ended up having the slightly better career.

But your overall point isn't just right, it's hella right.

Here are the full Singles lists, past the Top Ten, from both the 1994 and 1995 Pazz & Jop voting:

1. Beck: "Loser"
2. Veruca Salt: "Seether"
3. Coolio: "Fantastic Voyage"
4. Warren G: "Regulate"
5. Beastie Boys: "Sabotage"
6. R.E.M.: "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?"
7. Pavement: "Cut Your Hair"
8. Hole: "Doll Parts"
8. Liz Phair: "Supernova"
10. Offspring: "Come Out and Play"
11. Sheryl Crow: "All I Want To Do"
12. Ini Kamoze: "Here Comes the Hotstepper
12. Salt-n-Pepa: "Whatta Man"
14. Craig Mack: "Flava in Ya Ear"
14. Nine Inch Nails: "Closer"
16. The Cranberries: "Zombie"
16. Hole: "Miss World"
18. Des'ree: "You Gotta Be"
18. Madonna: "Secret"
18. Soundgarden: "Black Hole Sun"
21. Blur: "Girls & Boys"
21. Freedy Johnston: "Bad Reputation"
21. Mary Lou Lord: "Some Jingle Jangle Morning"
21. Pretenders: "Night in My Veins"
21. Snoop Doggy Dogg: "Gin and Juice"
21. Bruce Springsteen: "Streets of Philadelphia"
21. Crystal Waters: "100% Pure Love"


1. Coolio: "Gangsta's Paradise"
2. Edwyn Collins: "A Girl Like You"
2. Alanis Morissette: "You Oughta Know"
4. Elastica: "Connection"
5. TLC: "Waterfalls"
6. Joan Osborne: "One of Us"
7. PJ Harvey: "Down by the Water"
8. TLC: "Creep"
9. Dionne Farris: "I Know"
9. Shaggy: "Boombastic"
11. Oasis: "Wonderwall"
12. Foo Fighters: "This Is a Call"
12. The Presidents of the United States of America: "Lump"
14. Method Man feat. Mary J. Blige: "I'll Be There for You"/"You're All I Need To Get By"
15. Foo Fighters: "I'll Stick Around"
15. Matthew Sweet: "Sick of Myself"
17. Portishead: "Sour Times"
17. Seal: "Kiss From a Rose"
17. Skee-Lo: "I Wish"
20. Goo Goo Dolls: "Name"
20. Smashing Pumpkins: "Bullet With Butterfly Wings"
22. Elastica: "Stutter"
22. Filter: "Hey Man Nice Shot"
22. Garbage: "Queer"
22. Luniz: "I Got 5 on It"

By the time you get down to 25th place, it only takes 15 or 20 votes to make the list. But for Green Day, nuthin'.

And yet Green Day's "Dookie" came in 12th on the Pazz/Jop's 1994 Albums list, ahead of critically acclaimed releases like "Illmatic" and "Grace." It must have been for that cover art.

I could easily be convinced that Edwyn Collins' "A Girl Like You" is the best song on all the lists combined.
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At least now I know my undying love of Luniz "I Got 5 On It" is not bad musical taste according to this magazine or newsletter or whatever. Though I do have to argue with them including Craig Mack's "Flava in Ya Ear" and not the superior remix version.

Also, if any of you are ever able to think of Des'ree's "You Gotta Be" without the first thing popping into your mind being Andy Richter's music video, I don't want to know you.
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I agree with all of that.

Also, I think "I Got 5 On It" is undergoing a bit of a renaissance since there's a remix of it in the trailer for 'Us'.
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The Village Voice has also posted its Top Ten Albums lists from 1971 through 2017.

https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/01/22/pazz-jop-top-10-albums-by-year-1971-2016/

It's hard to argue that 1977-1978 isn't the strongest block of releases.

1977
1. Sex Pistols: Never Mind the Bollocks, Here’s the Sex Pistols
2. Elvis Costello: My Aim Is True
3. Television: Marquee Moon
4. Fleetwood Mac: Rumours
5. Steely Dan: Aja
6. Ramones: Rocket to Russia
7. Talking Heads: Talking Heads 77
8. Randy Newman: Little Criminals
9. Garland Jeffreys: Ghost Writer
10. Cheap Trick: In Color (Epic)

1978
1. Elvis Costello: This Year’s Model
2. The Rolling Stones: Some Girls
3. Nick Lowe: Pure Pop for Now People
4. The Clash: Give ‘Em Enough Rope
5. Talking Heads: More Songs About Buildings and Food
6. Bruce Springsteen: Darkness at the Edge of Town
7. Ramones: Road to Ruin
8. Neil Young: Comes a Time
9. The Cars: The Cars
10. David Johansen: David Johansen


Though 1984 has a fighting chance.

1984
1. Bruce Springsteen: Born in the U.S.A.
2. Prince and the Revolution: Purple Rain
3. Los Lobos: How Will the Wolf Survive?
4. The Replacements: Let It Be
5. Tina Turner: Private Dancer
6. R.E.M.: Reckoning
7. The Pretenders: Learning to Crawl
8. Hüsker Dü: Zen Arcade
9. Lou Reed: New Sensations
10. Run-D.M.C.: Run-D.M.C.


The reason I don't think any Pazz & Jop list from the last thirty years is in the running is not because I'm a calcified old creep who wants to be buried in CBGB's, but because I don't like the Voice's lists.


The most underrated year is probably 1981.

1981
1. The Clash: Sandinista!
2. X: Wild Gift
3. Elvis Costello and the Attractions: Trust
4. The Rolling Stones: Tattoo You
5. Rickie Lee Jones: Pirates
6. Squeeze: East Side Story
7. Tom Verlaine: Dreamtime
8. Prince: Controversy
9. Rick James: Street Songs
10. Go-Go’s: Beauty and the Beat
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So, it turns out that all of those old Pazz and Jops were to create "buzz" and "synergy" for...

THE WORST PAZZ AND JOP EVER

featuring...

THE WHO GIVES A RUNNY SHIT TOP 12 ALBUMS OF A DIRE, GENERIC YEAR
1 Golden Hour -- Kacey Musgraves
2 Dirty Computer -- Janelle Monáe
3 (tie) Invasion of Privacy -- Cardi B
3 (tie) Be the Cowboy -- Mitski
5 Honey -- Robyn
6 Daytona -- Pusha T
7 Room 25 -- Noname
8 Double Negative -- Low
9 Wide Awaaaaaake! -- Parquet Courts
10 Historian -- Lucy Dacus
11 What a Time to Be Alive -- Superchunk
12 Hell-On -- Neko Case

and...

THE AWFUL AND UTTERLY IGNORABLE TOP 12 SINGLES:
1 “This Is America” -- Childish Gambino
2 (tie) “I Like It” -- Cardi B feat. Bad Bunny and J Balvin
2 (tie) “Make Me Feel” -- Janelle Monáe
4 “Thank U, Next” -- Ariana Grande
5 “Honey” -- Robyn
6 “Nobody” -- Mitski
7 “High Horse” -- Kacey Musgraves
8 “All the Stars” -- Kendrick Lamar with SZA
9 (tie) “Love It If We Made It” -- The 1975
9 (tie) “Nice for What” -- Drake
11 “Sicko Mode” -- Travis Scott feat. Drake
12 (tie) “Night Shift” -- Lucy Dacus
12 (tie) “Boo’d Up” -- Ella Mai

I've had the "Daytona" album saved on my "to listen to" file for months. I hope I like it. I've heard four of the other Top 12 picks and couldn't care less.

I've also heard another 9 or 10 of the albums further down on the Top 100 list. Of those, only the Beths (#23) had something for me. I have it notated in between "fine" and "fine+" on my ever-amended list of albums to get, which functionally means I will never be getting it because there are way too many good albums ahead of it. (From a variety of years.)

There literally isn't a single in the Pazzjop Top 50 that I even sort of liked. I haven't heard all of them, but the vocal styles and production techniques that absolutely dominate and define current music are ones that repel me.

I was also existentially unimpressed by Childish Gambino's "This is America" as a piece of music, even though he's done several songs I liked a lot in the past. But it was a guaranteed #1 Village Voice pick because they've never been able to resist a cultural narrative. I preferred the percussion bed when it was Kelis' "Milkshake."

However, I'm also really delighted that "This is America" exists, because without it, this would not exist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ekZwkmWzH0
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daytona is decent. Easily the best of the Kanye-produced albums during his Wyoming/I Love Trump/Public Meltdown Era.

Those are pretty alright lists, IMO. I like most of it, even if they make room for lifeless "Well, we can't ignore it" singles like "thank u, next" or basically anything Drake released.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made a mistake. The Superchunk album I listened to in recent months was "Majesty Shredding," which is from 2010. And I didn't dislike it; I've rated it "fine enough," which is a signal to me that I enjoyed it less than the average "fine" album but it would be wrong to deny that it was fine for its purposes. So maybe the newer Superchunk album will be fine for both its and my purposes.

If there weren't such a slew of recent and current music that I appreciate a great deal, I would worry that I'd become the thing just about everybody becomes, where suddenly the only "good" music is the old music.

But I haven't. I've never listened to more new music, and a wider variety of it, than I have in these last several years. Thanks, societal indifference to copyright!

Despite this, the Top 40 is legitimately the worst it's ever been. And many (most?) of the critical consensus' best-regarded albums aren't far behind.

Although, again, in a world where literally everything ever is two clicks away and there's such a torrent of material, it could be that my luck has been mathematically poor, and I've only partaken of the hackiest, indistinct, forgettable music while swerving past all the future classic stuff. Maybe. But I'm pretty sure finding this week's good Drake song-- which may or may not exist-- isn't worth ploughing through this week's other 78 new Drake songs.

I've seriously had better luck finding music by letting YouTube just skip over to the next random video (or semi-random video) than I have from culling the last several years of Village Voice polls.

Wah wah waaahhhhh. Poor me. I'm just complaining because lists like these really only serve one purpose: a useful contextual vehicle for me to seek and discover great things. And this year's lists are the opposite of encouraging.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HelloDes wrote:

Despite this, the Top 40 is legitimately the worst it's ever been. And many (most?) of the critical consensus' best-regarded albums aren't far behind.


Nah, it's not even worse than last year's.

2017 was topped by Kendrick's 3rd or 4th best album. Granted, I'm a big fan of Kendrick's, and his 4th best effort is a lot better than many peoples' career highlight, but I think it says something about a fairly weak year overall. A late-career decent album from Jay-Z made the top 10. St. Vincent's worst album made the top 5. I am a fan of all of the aforementioned, and also LCD Soundsystem, Jason Isbell, Slowdive and War on Drugs but it's not very exciting to see a group of albums that would likely never win any argument anywhere as "this is their best one" in a Top 10 AOTY list.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant the Top 40 as we hear it ruining the radio in recent times-- the actual Top 40-- not the specific 2018 Village Voice survey of 50 songs (which is crummy also).

That War on Drugs album put me to sleep. And LCD Soundsystem always leaves me cold. I've liked some Kendrick stuff, but much less of it than I'm supposed to. That "Kunta" song is still awesome, but the super-acclaimed album where EVERY one WORD song TITLE was PRINTED like THIS didn't grab me.

Here are a few other albums that were among the better things I heard and were released in 2018. So you can either marvel at my ability to locate gems, or you can laugh and laugh and laugh at my horrendous shit-eared taste:

FAMILY CREST— The War: Act 1
YORICK VAN NORDEN— The Jester
LINUS OF HOLLYWOOD— Cabin Life
HAPPY FITS— Concentrate
ARCTIC MONKEYS— Tranquility Base Hotel & Casino
ERNIE HAWKS & SOUL INVESTIGATORS— Scorpio Man
GROOVY UNCLE— Meanwhile Back In Medieval Britain (this doesn't help for "2018" because it's wildly retro)
PETE ASTOR— One for the Ghost
PEAWEES-- Moving Target
ANDY REED & JASON REED— Make Your Move EP
OBERON ROSE— Tell Me About It

Like some of your picks, the Decemberists also released a very good album that's probably their 4th best. I also quite liked Billy Co... excuse me, William Patrick Corgan's last CD, but that may have been late 2017. Makes a great Christmas gift, except I've already missed a couple of Christmases on getting it.

I really have no good reason to complain about the Pazz and Jop list not being useful to me, because the Google offers dozens of other paths to find good stuff. I just have a lingering, vestigial affection for both the Voice and their annual list.
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