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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Short Mexican Telenovela:

"Little girl, why is your father using a wheelchair at just 32 years old?"

"He used to be a wrestler in Lucha Libre."
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Dave Meelsnur's Typos Are One Thing, But Does He HAVE to Bring Up Unsavory Rumors at a Tragic Moment Like This?, Vol. II:
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Jeanine DeNucci, the wife of Dominic DeNucci, passed away on 9/11 in her sheep.

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Following the departure of some of WhatCulture's key staff members, What Culture Pro Wrestling will also be undergoing some changes before the end of the year.

The promotion announced today that they would be rebranding as Defiant Wrestling in December. The first show under the new name will be a live iPPV called "WeAreDefiant" on December 4th at the O2 Academy in Newcastle, which will air on their new Access Defiant on-demand service and will be available on the FITE app.

Stu Bennett, who was formerly known as Wade Barrett in WWE, was revealed to be the promotion's new on-screen general manager after former authority figure Adam Blampied was among those to leave WhatCulture earlier this month. Bennett will open their Refuse to Lose iPPV broadcast on October 2nd, which will be the last show branded as a WCPW event.


1. I still don't exactly understand how What Culture has been operating as a pro wrestling promotion. And flying in some of the biggest names in the business, no less.

2. Defiant Wrestling is one of the worst promotion names I can remember. Your acronym is just "DW", which is awkward-sounding and can't really be chanted.

3. I'm surprised it took Wade Barrett this long to emerge in the UK indy scene.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't even know WhatCulture was a promotion. I thought it was just a YouTube channel that put up shitty, factually inaccurate top 5 lists about wrestling.
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I didn't even know WhatCulture was a promotion. I thought it was just a YouTube channel that put up shitty, factually inaccurate top 5 lists about wrestling.


Oh yeah, they are also that.

But then they somehow had the money and resources to start their own promotion. Of course it was called What Culture Pro Wrestling because who wants to have a promotion name that sounds "good" or "not confusing". And of course the guys from those BuzzFeed countdown videos were authority figures and characters in the promotion. Somehow they were always promoting shows, springboarding off of all the hype the UK indy scene was getting. And within literally a few months of being a promotion, they were somehow booking big-name talent. Just running through their events, you've got names like Alberto El Patron, Kurt Angle, EC3, Cody, Minoru Suzuki, Matt Hardy, Bully Ray, Johnny MundomorrisIMPACT, Drew McIntyre, Ricochet, Adam Cole, Jay Lethal, Matt Riddle, The Young Bucks, Rey Mysterio... and the list goes on with more New Japan, AAA, TNA and ROH talent. These are the biggest non-WWE names out there and a promotion built off of the back of a YouTube channel can afford to bring all these guys in? I assume Meltzer has some kind of write-up and breakdown of how this promotion has been able to do this, but it just seems really weird, unless there's a some bored, rich guy in England just loaning these guys hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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2. Defiant Wrestling is one of the worst promotion names I can remember. Your acronym is just "DW", which is awkward-sounding and can't really be chanted.



Maybe the What Culture wrestlers just got tired of having every promo ruined by the crowd, chanting "WHAT (Culture)? WHAT (Culture)? WHAT (Culture)?"
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I assume Meltzer has some kind of write-up and breakdown of how this promotion has been able to do this, but it just seems really weird, unless there's a some bored, rich guy in England just loaning these guys hundreds of thousands of dollars.


They made a bunch of money on YouTube with their dumb wrestling videos so figured if they started a promotion they would get even more money on YouTube. I'm not sure if they were actually making any money with the wrestling events (I can't see how they would be) but recently YouTube changed their categorization of wrestling content, which dropped the money per video view or however they calculate it by a ton, to almost nothing. So now they have to change what they are doing.

That's the gist I get from reading about it in the Observer over the past few months.
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Foleyite wrote:
I assume Meltzer has some kind of write-up and breakdown of how this promotion has been able to do this, but it just seems really weird, unless there's a some bored, rich guy in England just loaning these guys hundreds of thousands of dollars.


They made a bunch of money on YouTube with their dumb wrestling videos so figured if they started a promotion they would get even more money on YouTube. I'm not sure if they were actually making any money with the wrestling events (I can't see how they would be) but recently YouTube changed their categorization of wrestling content, which dropped the money per video view or however they calculate it by a ton, to almost nothing. So now they have to change what they are doing.

That's the gist I get from reading about it in the Observer over the past few months.


Thanks for this. I kind of assumed some of this, but I didn't know about the "YouTube changing their categorization" thing. It's just crazy that people can essentially make a living from being YouTube guys. That guy that travels around to every baseball stadium collecting baseballs won't reveal how much he makes via his YouTube channel, but apparently the guy is making something like six figures a year, if some of the articles about him are anywhere near accurate.
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It wasn't enough when the Washington Nationals got Edge.




Now they've picked up Roman Reigns.



(His oversized picture is stupid annoying because he's The Big Dog and everything in this (or any other) thread revolves around him.)
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Man, Roman Reigns really does ruin everything.
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Since all of this was taped over a year ago, it's hard to qualify any of it for "Show of the Year/Match of the Year" stuff - but Lucha Underground's Ultima Lucha Tres is one of the craziest shows I've seen in years. It was as gory - if not gorier - than some of ECW's famous shows. (Although with slicker, more modern production, so it doesn't have the sleazy '90s vibe those ECW shows had.)

The first four matches all had blood and two of those were womens' matches. Two matches featured guys going through panes of glass and neither bump was the finish. (Ok, sorry, the "Hell of War" match did have a glass bump finish after a PREVIOUS glass bump.)

After four bloody matches, we take a break from the madness with a cage match where a guy is thrown through the cage.

Then we have a 3-way where all 3 guys bleed from: a glass bump, skewers being stabbed in a guy's head and well, whatever made Jeremiah Crane bleed before he went through several tables.

There were also comedy spots, title changes, storyline developments and all kinds of stuff on this show. Maybe LU doesn't return for another season, so I guess they went out with a bang. Ricochet is gone, and Johnny Mundo and a handful of others have already moved onto the Double Global TNAF. With all the downtime, they've lost talent and momentum. But maybe they can create a few new stars focus on some of the other talent that has already made a splash and have that old ECW reputation of "Well, talent keeps leaving for bigger things, but they're still making stars and having some of the most creative booking on the business".

Anyway, check this show out if you get a chance. And if you like seeing grown men used as a pincushions and shish kebabs.
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Anyway, check this show out if you get a chance. And if you like seeing grown men used as ... shish kebabs.



Only in my porn, sweet cheeks. Only in my porn.
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In the last Observer, while doing his annual rundown of the Hall of Fame ballot, Dave Meltzer made a
cryptic comment about what would have been a career-making 1962 supermatch for Pepper Gomez that
was cancelled by his opponent's broken ankle, thus depriving him of an opportunity that never came again:
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"Gomez probably would have been a legit Hall of Famer, except one thing never happened.
And you can't get voted in based on theoretical what could have but didn't (even though
we probably just had someone voted in based on that logic in recent years)."

I assume he's obliquely talking about Daniel Bryan Danielson. Eddie Guerrero was elected over a
decade ago. Who else could it be?
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In the last Observer, while doing his annual rundown of the Hall of Fame ballot, Dave Meltzer made a
cryptic comment about what would have been a career-making 1962 supermatch for Pepper Gomez that
was cancelled by his opponent's broken ankle, thus depriving him of an opportunity that never came again:
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"Gomez probably would have been a legit Hall of Famer, except one thing never happened.
And you can't get voted in based on theoretical what could have but didn't (even though
we probably just had someone voted in based on that logic in recent years)."

I assume he's obliquely talking about Daniel Bryan Danielson. Eddie Guerrero was elected over a
decade ago. Who else could it be?


I don't think he's talking about Danielson and if he was, that's really surprising coming from him.

Danielson was arguably the best worker of his generation and he ended up main eventing
and being a legit draw for WWE with the "Yes Movement".

Even with his career marred by bad booking and injury,
he has a HOF career, especially if Chris Benoit & Eddie Guerrero
are/were considered slam dunk HOF cases.

I think he might actually be talking about Sting. He argued against Sting getting in and being a draw for years.
But, after a WWE stint
(and years of fans building a case for him to be fair),
somehow he gets in. But, I think Meltzer may be referring
to the fact that Sting never got the chance
to be a WWF star in his prime or have a big money-making match with The Undertaker.
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I just assumed it could be Bryan because his big star time heyday had only recently begun when it was cut short by
injury. (Or in Eddie's case, extreme injury.) Obviously Danielson had been a big deal in the Observer newsletter for ages.

Unlike Pepper Gomez, Sting is actually a definitional example of a wrestler for whom the central career-making
match DID happen (the 1989 time limit draw with Flair).
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Actually - he might be referring to Perro Aguayo Jr.

I think he was a fairly big draw in Mexico, but really he's mostly
unknown outside of Mexico. And he was inducted a few months
after his death.
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Could be him.

Usually any problem in figuring out what Meltzer's saying involves an incomplete run-on sentence about
three different thoughts, wrapped around a parenthetical comment. The Delphic ambiguity of this passive
aggressive maybe-insult captured my interest.
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He maybe might have been talking about Lesnar also, who had a good start to his career and has been great recently albeit in a very limited role, but the middle is a big "what if".
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It's clear to anyone with a brain he's referring to Uncle Cletus.
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ImPaCt is a weird show now. It's like an old school show in a way. They broadcast matches from around the world with promotions they have arrangements with featuring their talent against talent from: the CRASH promotion in Mexico, Border City Wrestling in Canada and Pro Wrestling NOAH in Japan.

Eddie Edwards won NOAH's top title and this week, they aired a title defense in Japan vs. Naomichi Marufuji (complete with Jeremy Borash mentioning that Marufuji had a win over Okada in 2016). It had a scary suicide dive over the barricade and a piledriver on the apron spot. Good stuff.
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Interesting email alert from one of my wrestling-happy friends:

Chris Jericho has signed to face Kenny Omega at the Tokyo Dome on January 4, 2018.

He is not currently under WWE contract but has not worked for another promotion in 18 years. This could be a one-off, since he could still return for Royal Rumble-to-Wrestlemania season.

They are both from Winnipeg and had been "feuding" on Twitter, but nobody thought it would lead to anything.

Omega wrestled last night and cut a promo saying he was out of opponents. A video then aired in the arena of Jericho saying he had accepted the challenge.
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Jericho's still pretty good and I like the guy, but Omega's gonna have to slow his stuff down a lot for Ol' Listy McDrinkitinman. On one hand, I'm kinda bummed that they're not doing Ibushi/Omega at the Tokyo Dome since that has a built-in backstory of them being friends/partners and it could be 5-7 star match. But, I'm also happy that they're not wasting Omega on a match with Cody at the Dome, which had been hinted at quite a bit.

The actual Jericho promo was pretty great and played off of his WWE stuff and it definitely feels like a genuine surprise and capital-letters Big Deal. Wrestle Kingdom is gonna be good.
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The fact that WWE has never been able or willing to downgrade Jericho to Ziggler/Christian/Owen Hart territory is a tribute to the smart way Jericho has managed his career. He's always maintained credible alternatives that made WWE covet the idea of getting him back.
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Yeah, in the world of wrestling, he's up there with The Rock as a guy who's been way smarter than the average bear. Taking breaks, reinventing himself, working with (mostly) the best and biggest of the following generations' crop of talent (Punk, Cena, Owens, etc), taking opportunities outside wrestling to increase his drawing power/relevance - he's done almost everything right. There have been several times where he could have jumped to TNA to feed his ego and be "The Guy" there, win their World title a half-dozen times and do tons of interviews about "helping the product grow", but he never bothered with that. He went from being a pretty good Shawn Michaels Jr.-type to really carving out an interesting, unique career for himself BAYBAY!

And just for comparison's sake: Billy Gunn was a fairly big Attitude Era name and when he was announced for some New Japan shows, people scoffed at a WWE has-been taking away a spot from a rising star or a key NJPW guy. Cody has done pretty well for himself outside WWE, but there are plenty of people that rolled their eyes at him being booked in a New Japan main event. Jericho being announced as an opponent for Omega has gotten a largely positive reaction online and it's treated as "Wow! Omega is taking on a top-level WWE guy!?!"

I'm also wondering how much increased attention or business this will create for New Japan. They may get a few more subscribers to NJPWWorld with the Jericho news and Wrestle Kingdom anticipation. Some fans may have heard about how good Omega, Naito and Okada are, but Jericho being on New Japan's WrestleMania might push them over the edge to dive into the promotion.
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This also reminds me that I'm way behind on New Japan stuff.

The G1 Climax took its toll on me, too.
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Hmm, Survivor Series headliner Jinder Mahal got suddenly shorter and 158 times better.

I just hope there's enough time to change all the posters.
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While they're at it they can edit a big fat George Lucas neck onto Roman Reigns to reflect his recent bout with the mumps.
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Don't you worry about Roman Reigns. He's still The Big Dog.
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TNA/GFW/Impact/Whatever-It's Called Update:

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Joel Gertner looks ripped.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZgZEgCkrs0

"The Fall & Rise of Tetsuya Naito"

This is pretty good. Not only is this a good video explaining Naito's recent career;
this is a good example of why New Japan's recent booking and storytelling has been so good.
Long story short:
Naito was a guy who was positioned to be the next top babyface,
but fans quickly turned on him.

However, Naito and New Japan changed course and it not only made New Japan better:

...it eventually made Naito the top-level, super-over star they wanted him to be; just not in the original way they planned.
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Just to show you how much things have changed since the last time Chris Jericho worked a match for a non-WWE wrestling promotion.

Jericho's last non-WWE match:
Teaming with Eddie Guerrero and losing to Rey Mysterio Jr. &
Billy Kidman, July 21, 1999 at a WCW house show
in Peoria, Illinois.

Jericho's last New Japan match:
Teaming with Black Tiger (Eddie Guerrero) and unsuccessfully challenging IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Champs Shinjiro Otani & Tatsuhito Takaiwa
at the G1 Climax, September 23, 1998.

Last time Chris Jericho performed at the Tokyo Dome:
January 4, 1997.
Defeated Koji Kanemoto while doing the "Super Liger" gimmick,
which lasted all of this one match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np-E7yGob4k
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Foleyite wrote:
Just to show you how much things have changed since the last time Chris Jericho worked a match for a non-WWE wrestling promotion.

Jericho's last non-WWE match:
Teaming with Eddie Guerrero and losing to Rey Mysterio Jr. &
Billy Kidman, July 21, 1999 at a WCW house show
in Peoria, Illinois.



That was so long ago that his opponents are now called Rey Mysterio Sr. and Billy Manman.




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Billy Manman sounds like a gimmick that would show up in Lucha Underground.

Speaking of which, LU is coming back for a Season 4, so there's another option for everyone who's miserable in WWE.
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Foleyite wrote:
I also think that the indies have taken a pretty big hit in the last 3 years or so. WWE has poached a lot of the stand-out talents and I just don't sense that there is much enthusiasm for the ROHs, Chikaras, PWGs like there seemed to be 3 or 4 years ago.


Well, I just accidentally edited some of this post out like a pillock, but I posted this comment about the state of the indies 3 years ago.

The times they have-a changed.
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https://deadspin.com/cody-rhodes-is-planning-the-biggest-indie-wrestling-sho-1820809050


This is interesting, although I don't see them drawing 7,500+, unless they can use their New Japan connections to have a few top NJPW guys (Omega/Naito/Okada) on the card or convince someone of the Danielson/Punk/Jericho pedigree to do the show.
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